Nelson Fired at ESPN?

[shnicker44]

Well thank you for the compliment, likening me to Flynn, alas my knowledge is not that expansive and altho I'd like to think i know the game, I must admit that i do not have near enough of the experience or vast inside contacts as he does or most who operate in these communities. I am a simple soul who loves the game and likes to follow the scoops.

Now my point was that you have finally admitted to your problem, well kind of - there is no need for the slammimg of people, if you have such strong feelings deal with them as such, man to man or are you really an adult as I have to question as some of the comments I have been reading are childlike.

My own observation is this - you have not been banned from this board, you have been allowed to conitniue with your comments which is more than some have been allowed to do on other boards having just disagreed with a point of view. So that is the main reason I like this forum. There is no one sided censorship.

[Mike Flynn]

To the intelligent audience here at Blue Star, the childish nature of Mr. Twister has surfaced as he noted his emotional need to come to the rescue of HG and defend their honor here on this message board and others. Only someone with an emotional tie to or deficit would feel such a strong and over-powering need to do so. Note, the other issue that has Mr. Twister twisted... his rather incredible statement that Blue Star has ignored a player. Hmmm? Which one? That name has not come to light nor has he bothered to post said name of the affronted athlete to give that person a bigger profile here on this board. Blue Star doesn't ignore players, in fact, we try to accumlate as many names as possible. Ignoring a player is like ignoring a basketball in basketball, duh! As that flow of reality loses steam the real reason Mr. Twister is here is to, as he calls it, stick up for HG as they won't. Well, unless Mr. Twister has been visting Fantasyland at Disney or another planet, everyone who read and knows basketball knows how some of us have been subjected to the vile and repugnant attitude and continual craving for acceptance of the HG overlord. We all know who the good people there at HG are and they are treated with the due respect they've earned here. So, by bringing in the "HG" comment, Mr. Twister in the future should think twice before he comes to the assistance to the same individual who made himself forever known in the expert basketball community attending the McDonald's game by his very un-public display during the game. If you were there and didn't see it, then you heard about it. In closing, I don't believe in banning anyone who posts here as there some real intelligent and motivated other posters who will help uncover anyone who wants to act or be stupid with their viewpoint and the English language.

[StreetHoops]

Is this just another cite where folks take revenge or is it about the kids and basketball. Why don't grown-ups act like grown-ups. It appears this site as with Fiveboro and hoopgurlz has grown ups acting like kids who tease each other ha ha ha you drop your ice cream you drop your ice cream.....

Please ladies and gentlemen let act like coaches, organizers, parents, etc..


And I am sorry if I have offended anyone by chiming in.

[Mike Flynn]

Normally, I would pull such a post since it is utterly childish to respond to it except to post this comment. Blue Star is a serious site for basketball people. Sometimes there are issues and people that create havoc or sometimes try to stir the pot with dumb comments that need to be explained and corrected. This happens to be one of those post. I'll leave this up here as a reference to some of the people who do post unserious comments and they are not erased. We are not those other sites. You're probably from one of them. We are not like one other site where the operator wants to sue everyone for everything. We just try to keep it real.

[StreetHoops]

Why all the hostility.

No I have no affiliation to any site or do I get paid through basketball. I am a parent who travel to ball games due to my daughter being recruited. You know her, well. Calm down. I just noticed how this site with some of its comments is becoming like those other sites.

And, I do not apologize for my comment. As much as I agreed with poster Stanford about Glenn Nelson on hoopgurlz being a........I must ask are you of same cloth? Grow thicker skin cheif.

I did not know who the judge, jury and prosecutor was until now, Mike Flynn is in charge as was Glenn once.

[Mike Flynn]

There is no hostility here, only commentary that is taken how the reader wants to read it. We are not like other sites as we do not have harsh personal attacks nor do we have stupid posting. If we have any of those two items we being it back to earth. 98% of the postings here at Blue Star contain information and some insider news that people need to know or at least be aware of what is coming. I do have problems when the chief of HG publically makes a rude display towards another member of the media in front of all those on press row. That display has now become legend. Said individual was at USAB being low key for once. It was a pleasure to see the rest of their staff led by the respected Mr. Class-Act Mark Lewis. I still have a post about last year's antics and information provided to me about certain issues still on tap for a moment to finish it up.

[KennyKallina]

I woke up this morning to see the HG website was reverting back to the site they had before they were affiliated with ESPN with a 2008 article...has HG left ESPN? I tried getting to read their message board last week and it hasnt been up in the last few days....what is going on at ESPN/HG?

[ballfan]

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/recr ... mens/index

[SempraSectum]

Glenn Nelson deserved to get fired. While he may have given girls/womens bb attention and he may have worked tiressly, he simply had too much power for his knowledge of the game. To wit, his top 100 didn't have the 100 best players, it wasn't even close. And to make things worse, he refused to accept suggestions or help in indentifying deserving kids. If you paid this guy to evaluate your kid, presto!! chango!!. .. .guess who got into the rankings.

A girl in the class of 2009 from South Dakota, who played virtually no club ball in hs, but whose parents paid Nelson to evaluate their daughter, was place in the top 20. While she had some athletic ability, she certainly didn't appear to have refined her bb skills to this level. She did get a great scholarship and she may work out, but 15th ranked kids should be better than the player who appeared on campus a month ago soft and lacking in refined skills. But, her parents paid for an evaluation.

One of her new teammates in college, did not pay for an evaluation, and was only listed on Nelsons rankings AFTER she verballed and signed last fall. Even then, this girl was listed with the WRONG state and school and when Nelson was contacted about this mistake, he refused to change it. In addition, when Nelson was asked why this particular girl had never been ranked or evaluated (dispite being offered by Notre Dame, Michigan State, Indiana, Iowa State, Kansas State, Iowa, Northwestern and scores of other schools) Nelson stated he had never watched her play. However, this was not true, because he was courtside at the Deep South in 2008 while he watched this girl play, head up with Tayler Hill (and by all accounts, outplay Hill). This girl's mistake was that she never paid for an evaluation. I don't know Glenn Nelson, but I can tell you he caused harm and cost deserving kids spots on all-America and all-star teams. Does anyone think the McDonald's game this year had the best 24 kids? Or the coaches game?

Glenn Nelson got fired?! I am standing up and clapping. . . .cheering . . . .and thinking, Karma is a bitch.. . . I hope he never gets another job. Bitter? You bet, he denied deserving kids.

[Hardwood]

First off, sorry to disappoint you but Nelson hasn't been fired.

Second, there's no money involved in the rankings at HoopGurlz now nor was there ever prior to their affiliation with ESPN. Claims of pay for evaluation should include names and where the information came from. Anything less is a cheap shot a rumor. Even if Nelson had seen the second player you referred to it's possible he caught her on a bad day. I'm not defending his opinion. I'm just making the point that it is just that. I've seen Kobe play on bad nights and based on only that would not give him the spot in history he actually deserves.

Lastly, no matter whether you agree with any rankings (Flynn, White, Nelson, Olson or anyone else's group) they're just their opinions, nothing more. If a college coach made a decision based solely on those rankings then your issue is with those coaches, not an evaluator.

To insinuate "harm" came from any ranking or failure to be ranked lies elsewhere. It's an overestimation of someone's influence to think that a single individual could keep an athlete from a scholarship or influence the complete make up of an All-American team that had a selection committee of over 20 people.